Curse

Kanyatta · Jun 03, 2011, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by agrios

/signed

I dont like that pokemonesque stuff.

QFT. Polymock was a stupid addition to the game. Not that it's hard, just pointless. I never liked it, even from the beginning.

I'd personally like being able to use Asuran Summons, because it seems like a cool idea that would be fun to use. And I'd rather not use a boring, watered-down, basically turn-based version of the game to be able to achieve it.

/sign for alternate way to get Asuran summon. Maybe a Master's Difficulty quest, or some Hard Mode dungeon reward somewhere.

Kunder · Jun 03, 2011, 08:46 PM // 20:46

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Go play The Witcher 2. Die 47 times in the very first fight of the game.

Come back here and tell us GW is too hard. I dare you.

Already nerfed in patch 1.2 because people bitched about needing to not run into the middle of a 4v1 like an idiot. Damn casuals screw up everything, Easy mode is the new Hard mode.

Lanier · Jun 04, 2011, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

QFT. Polymock was a stupid addition to the game. Not that it's hard, just pointless. I never liked it, even from the beginning.

I'd personally like being able to use Asuran Summons, because it seems like a cool idea that would be fun to use. And I'd rather not use a boring, watered-down, basically turn-based version of the game to be able to achieve it.

So hold on... anet should allow people who "dont like" one way of getting a reward to obtain the same reward through another format?

I don't like HA. New ways should be added to access the Hall of Heroes chest. I also don't like the Underworld. There should be new ways to obtain black widows.

Point is, a few people not liking a quest chain is no justification to allow alternate access to the rewards of that quest chain.

Swingline · Jun 04, 2011, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Come on this is pve. You should be able to beat this games simple AI with your superior human brain, if it is indeed superior to it

MithranArkanere · Jun 04, 2011, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Asura summons are the proof that you made the quests.
If you see someone with an Asura summon, you KNOW he beat the the quests.

You don't really 'need' themand if you really needed them, you'll do the quests.
They are a reward for doing the stuff. It doesn't matter that they are skills, they are still a reward for doing something.
In the same way you won't get a Statue in the Honor monument unless you do the stuff, you won't get the Summons if you don't do the stuff.
EotN quest skills are one of the few visible things in GW that prove that you did something instead just paying for it after mindlessly farming, and I can't agree with changing that.

If you don't like doing a quest, you won't get its rewards. That's how quests work.

There are lots of guides you can use for help, and you can always buy some gold pieces to make things easier. You can even use the Iboga piece from one character to make things easier for the rest.

Miteshu · Jun 05, 2011, 02:36 AM // 02:36

Or add new ways to get the Asuran summon.

It wouldn't matter if it is a boss battle, but if it is a dull mini-game it is unacceptable.

Outerworld · Jun 05, 2011, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by Miteshu

Or add new ways to get the Asuran summon.

It wouldn't matter if it is a boss battle, but if it is a dull mini-game it is unacceptable.

Just why exactly is it unacceptable? There's nothing wrong with a mini-game every once in a while for change of pace.

Blightfire · Jun 05, 2011, 10:21 PM // 22:21

/notsigned I think by allowing you to use the gold pieces (which you can buy) makes the game simple enough.

aspi · Jun 06, 2011, 11:27 AM // 11:27

/signed, polymock is just too boring and should not be an exclusive one to get the summons. Not that I would use them but it's just stupid now.

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Jun 10, 2011, 10:16 AM // 10:16

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

QFT. Polymock was a stupid addition to the game. Not that it's hard, just pointless. I never liked it, even from the beginning.

I'd personally like being able to use Asuran Summons, because it seems like a cool idea that would be fun to use. And I'd rather not use a boring, watered-down, basically turn-based version of the game to be able to achieve it.

thanks for clearing up
minigames are ok, if they are any fun, which polymock isnt, imo

most on these forums want GW to be hard, but this suggestion has been made by many on forums (not just this OP or forums), cuz its boring

from the beginning of polymock i saw lots of topics like this, except the OP's said its just stupid and boring, not much posts said its hard

as for me, i hate polymock, not only cuz i'm slow, but also cuz its.... boring

[example]i have brain damages which make me slow, and even i got them all on 1 char, thx to other pieces, but it took me a long time as its just boring[/example]

i'm glad Anet does more for fun than elitism nowadays, hope they do something like this too

[idea]what i'd like to see instead, is like some fun mission which givesa a piece each, doesnt need to be hard, just have some fun dialogues with those weird asura people, and dont let em have a "must team up with others" mission, as there's not much people i know left, or any people who help for free....[/idea]

hope i made my point

Aeronwen · Jun 10, 2011, 01:40 PM // 13:40

Yeah, I hate polymock too, I find it dull. I do it because I want the skills on my chars. And yes, in all these years of doing dungeons HM and NM numerous times I have NEVER had a polymock piece drop

All the same just leave as it is, if you want the skill learn to do it. Same for that stupid wurm quest you have to do for NF carto.

_Aphotic_ · Jun 10, 2011, 04:21 PM // 16:21

~.~
Polymock adds a little more depth to the storyline and personality of the Asura.

At any rate, it's super easy and EXTREMELY formulaic.
You CAN'T lose if you repeat the same strategy over-and-over again, and it's super boring, but like all things good (i.e. farming), you have to waste your time if you want it (and it is a game after all).
Not to mention- if this is really Pokemon-esque, your complaining about the easiest game to play in the history of just about everything. Pokemon is meant to appeal to 5 year olds. Are you implying that you have the gaming skill of a 5 year old?

Neat trick:
1. Start match by using a/the 1-second Extremely Strong Spell on Foe
2. Use Power Block
3. Cast Glyph of Concentration
4. Cast your other Extremely Strong Spell. (and watch foe try and 'rupt it)
5. Wait for foe to use their extremely strong spell, cast Power Drain
6. Spam spam spam weak spell (get Power Block'd)
7. Watch your Power Drain and Power Block, the enemy has the same exact cool downs as you do. Generally, you should have used them roughly within 5 seconds of each other initially. Power drain is your friend.
8. Using rule 7, gauge when you can successfully use your Extremely Strong spells.
Tips For PROS ONLY:
-YOU CAN DODGE PROJECTILES.
-YOU CAN AVOID AoE (seen in later matches)

O wait. I realized this is PvE.

Fabbles · Jun 10, 2011, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by _Aphotic_

~.~
Polymock adds a little more depth to the storyline and personality of the Asura.

At any rate, it's super easy and EXTREMELY formulaic.
You CAN'T lose if you repeat the same strategy over-and-over again, and it's super boring, but like all things good (i.e. farming), you have to waste your time if you want it (and it is a game after all).
Not to mention- if this is really Pokemon-esque, your complaining about the easiest game to play in the history of just about everything. Pokemon is meant to appeal to 5 year olds. Are you implying that you have the gaming skill of a 5 year old?

Neat trick:
1. Start match by using a/the 1-second Extremely Strong Spell on Foe
2. Use Power Block
3. Cast Glyph of Concentration
4. Cast your other Extremely Strong Spell. (and watch foe try and 'rupt it)
5. Wait for foe to use their extremely strong spell, cast Power Drain
6. Spam spam spam weak spell (get Power Block'd)
7. Watch your Power Drain and Power Block, the enemy has the same exact cool downs as you do. Generally, you should have used them roughly within 5 seconds of each other initially. Power drain is your friend.
8. Using rule 7, gauge when you can successfully use your Extremely Strong spells.
Tips For PROS ONLY:
-YOU CAN DODGE PROJECTILES.
-YOU CAN AVOID AoE (seen in later matches)

O wait. I realized this is PvE.

Try competitive Pokemon then get back to me

. It would be more like Pokemon if you could switch out your Polymock piece mid battle, but that only works for a turn based game.

Actually I saw this thread and remembered that I had yet to do Polymock, so this thread was good for something.

Pretty much use the fact that the opponent tries to still interrupt anything protected by Glyph of Concentration to your advantage. After the first few times anyone can beat it.

Don't think another method of getting the skills is needed.

_Aphotic_ · Jun 10, 2011, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Fabbles

Try competitive Pokemon then get back to me

You mean try comparing PvP to PvE?

drkn · Jun 11, 2011, 10:39 AM // 10:39

For those who don't like the polymock or find it boring - no one forces you to do it. The Asura Summons are not THAT powerful anyway, nor part of the meta (unless something has drastically changed in that matter over the last six months). I don't find HM quests fun, so i don't waste my time with them. I don't need ANY Norn skills but YMLAD and FH on my alts, so i don't do the quests to get them. It's that simple.

Now, i may understand that some of you don't like polymock, but there are people who actually enjoy it and would love to see this format adapted for 1v1 PvP. The fact that you find it boring, that you don't like it or that you can't win a game of polymock means only that, nothing more - it doesn't, objectivelly speaking, make polymock a bad idea.
It's like saying that Cyndr should be deleted from the game - i don't find bombing him with blackpowder enjoyable and i suck at it, i had to rely on R/N touchers to kill the freakin worm, what's not enjoyable either.

From the devs side, polymock is one more thing to make the game diversed. After all, it's not a part of the core campaign quests, like Cyndr, where your lack of skill or your irritation may set you back in the course of the game.
From the lore part, something like polymock makes great sense regarding the Asura. It also makes sense that they are more willing to share some of their inventions - the Summons - with someone who proves his worth by beating the master of their game.

Creating a new way of getting either the skills or the pieces to beat polymock is just raping the Ockham's razor. The current way is perfectly fine as it is - some people like it, some people hate it - but that's natural for some things (i, for example, hate RBR - there's only one track, lags and rubberbandings are too common, it's too luck-based regarding the chests and it requires repetitivness to get the chests you need - remove it! give me some other way to get a zippy, now!). If you suck at it, doesn't matter why, it's only your problem and means that you can't learn something that's simple for other people - just as with being unable to complete Rragar's HM with heroes only (so buy a runner <-> so buy gold pieces) even if your guildie carries it out with no probs, using a blank skilltab.

TL;DR: it's like complaining that UW is too hard to complete and too boring to farm, and there should be another way of getting ectos - cause i'm bored or i suck at the game. NOW.

Alvarez · Jun 13, 2011, 02:15 AM // 02:15

I agree I didn't like polymock at first and I avoided it until a few months ago. After reading the skill descriptions and saving the interupt/skill block for the heavy damage spells it made playing through easier.
Died quite a few times but after some practice it's super easy now and finished it on my other characters.

Just practice; you will get it.

halfies · Jun 15, 2011, 09:06 AM // 09:06

if anet just changed quests because someone couldnt do them then the whole game would be lvl 0 mobs.
whining on guru because your bad at the game is just silly and pathetic

Zenzai · Jun 15, 2011, 10:35 PM // 22:35

The Asuran summons have too long of a casting time, so I have little incentive to finish those quests.